| GS: When did you marry Audrey?
Hammer: We married during my last tour of military service. I was accepted to go to Europe in the CID (Criminal Investigation Division), but it would have meant another year in the military, and I didn't want to do that. I had already spent a long summer in 1949 bumming around Europe, which the military regarded as an added reason to send me over there. |
| GS: You'd been to Europe during your undergraduate days at Grinnell?
Hammer: Yes, a friend of mine and I had the idea that we could probably do it on the cheap, which we could. It was the summer after the Berlin airlift started — not a smart time to go. Everybody in Europe was expecting an invasion. One of the professors at Grinnell, my mentor, convinced my parents that I was mature enough to go, and further, it was a worth one year of college life. My friend's parents didn't want their son to go because of the parlous situation with the Russians. Professor Frederick Baumann convinced my parents I was mature enough, erroneously I'm sure, to go alone. Since I had an uncle in the Army of Occupation in Germany and my aunt was living there with him, my father made arrangements that I could always go back and borrow money from my uncle if I ran out of money. It was a most interesting summer and was truly one of those "rites of passage" that we can all look back on in our lives. Baumann was right. It was a real experience. |
| GS: Did you spend all your time in Germany?
Hammer: No, I landed in Rotterdam on a ship called the Volandam on the Holland-America line. It was an unreconverted troop ship on which for 250 bucks you could travel both ways. There was one class — 'bad.' After one night in the five-tier berth, I slept on deck. I found it fairly pleasant, although the crossing was a bit rough. A good many of us were seasick. From Rotterdam, I went first thing to Germany to visit my uncle, who was a colonel. |
| GS: Hammer, I assume, is German. (It means hammer in English too.)
Hammer: The family came from Silesia where they were apparently influenced by William Penn who came to Germany. They went to the Rhineland and then to Wales and then to the United States. My father's family came here I think it was 1700, my mother's family in 1750. Her family were Welsh. My suggestion would be that my people were miners. That was one of the big industries in Silesia and in Wales. The other day I received a notice from someone who for money can get you a listing of all the people of that name in the United States. I wasn't interested, but he said you could also acquire some drinking glasses with your family crest. I figured it will be interesting to see what kind of family crest I don't have, so I sent my money in and they came back with a very nice crest with a lion rampant holding a sword upright. The lady I bought them from said they'd send me the genealogical basis for the crest. I didn't get it so I called her, and did get it. And it is probably as specious as I originally thought. |
| GS: Where was your uncle stationed in Germany?
Hammer: Bad Kissingen [east of Frankfurt, north of Nuremberg] a few miles from the southwest border of the Russian sector. Many wives chose to go back home but my aunt decided to stay and they were given pistol practice since the invasion was regarded as being imminent. When you're 19 or 20 you don't worry about those things. I'd always wanted to go to Vienna, which was behind the Iron curtain at that time. I did go there, and then to Venice. Then I ran into a couple of American girls traveling on the train to Monte Carlo. I accepted their invitation and went to Monte Carlo, then to Switzerland, back to Germany, then to Paris, to London, and then back to Holland, and returned to the United States. It was a long summer from June to September. |
| GS: How did you, a college student, afford it?
Hammer: Oh, I'd saved about $1,000 and blew it on the trip. I also had PX privileges as a military dependent. I could also get military currency that I regularly sold in basement rooms in Germany. That helped support me. You wonder later how you got out alive. It was, of course, quite illegal. I suppose my uncle could have gotten in trouble but he didn't know about it. It was my Aunt Juana who was kind enough to provide for me. She's a great lady — still alive. My uncle was a career Army man when he met her down in Nicaragua before the war when he was 38 and she was 18. She left a convent school to elope with him. They were both very helpful to me, very kind to me. |
| GS: So you worked in high school and college and saved enough to travel?
Hammer: I worked in high school. In college, well, I guess I did work. I had a corsage business. A home town friend who went to the University of Indiana persuaded me there was money to be made if I hooked up with a Chicago florist, a fellow named Burnett, now long dead. You'd call a couple days before with a code, and you'd get boxed corsages with numbers on them on the 5 a.m. train. A friend of my father's had a cold storage plant near the railroad station where I'd take the flowers in the morning. I'd give his wife an orchid every now and then. I had salesmen in each hall. Here I was, a very young kid with all these guys working for me who were GIs who needed the money. It worked very well until one year the flowers didn't come in on time due to a railroad foul up. I had to go to the local florist, Bates, to fill my orders. He turned me in for not having an Iowa retail sales license — not a very kindly man. I learned a lot about "business" from that flower operation. Bates inflated his prices and the only competition was two old sisters who had a little old moldering greenhouse at the edge of town. I went out to see them and in the best American business tradition I struck a deal. "Look, we can both make more money if we don't compete and sell our flowers for less than what Bates sells for. (Laughs.) That's illegal restraint of trade. But fortunately it didn't have any interstate boundaries, so we weren't violating — I later learned — the federal legislation. But it was sort of interesting. Audrey and I were married in the college chapel and my wife's family went to Bates the florist. He was not very pleased at having to sell flowers to somebody who had given him a very bad time. The flowers were pretty ugly. |
| GS: What was the best thing about Northwestern Law School?
Hammer: That law school had the pretension of looking beyond the law. Before I arrived, Dean Havighurst, whom I very much liked, sent a letter to those who'd been admitted saying: Here are the books we think you should read: Bleak House (by Dickens), Orley Farm and The Eustace Diamonds (by Trollope) that have a lot to do with the law. I did like that. I had a friend, who is a Sherlockian by the way — he may be here this weekend — who is a professor of medicine at the University of Iowa, and he has taught a course to doctors, both students and practitioners, on the literature of medicine, trying to get doctors to broaden their narrow perspectives. A good many lawyers have an interest only in the law and have no interest in literature and art and music. I think it's all one seamless web. |
| GS: Where did you practice law on graduating from Iowa?
Hammer: I went to Dubuque where I still am, still restoring defendants to their friends and relations. GS: Let's move into your Sherlockian life. How did you happen to read
the stories?
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| GS: So in the late 1970s or the early '80s you went looking, and that's
how your books got started?
Hammer: I had an interest because I wanted to go on the tour. So I went through my Sherlock Holmes book. I tried to come up with places, and I did, but realize now, it was pretty naive. I didn't have access to any of the literature. It was there, but I didn't know it. I thought the Baker Street Irregulars had ended with Morley's death and a few of the others. It was only later that I realized that it probably had. Those of us who came later lacked the credentials of those people. But anyway, the tour was advertised twice. It had to be pretty expensive as you had to go through Denmark, which really knocked the hell out of the price. Those who signed up to go were a family from New York, Audrey and me and our son, and a neighbor boy. It wasn't a go. But, I was interested then, so every year, we spent part of the year, Audrey and I, going to Eng-land. I'd work during the winter evenings to find what I could about where the sites were. It was sort of stupid, in a way, looking for actual sites of a fictional character. But, on the other hand, many of them were there, and they were there because Doyle had gone there. ![]() Susan Stahl & David Hammer Scotland Yard Books (Chicago, IL - 4 March 99) |
| GS: When did you begin to write about what you found?
Hammer: One year, we went to England a couple of times. We were at dinner with some friends. He was chairman of the board of a British publishing company and had been a Spitfire pilot during the Blitz. He asked me why and I told him why, because I know it's there. He said his editors might be interested. Why don't I write something on Sherlock Holmes? I still have what I wrote. It was pretty bad. All I did was give all the conclusions as to where the places were and why they were the ones selected. I thought that to do anything else, that is, to put yourself in it was a horribly arrogant and unnecessary thing to do. He wrote back, "My editors just don't feel there is enough interest in Sherlock Holmes." I accepted that as true. He was a good friend letting me down easily. I'd written a bad book. |
| GS: A book that lacked the famous idiosyncratic, personal Hammer voice.
Hammer: Somebody put me in touch with John Shaw; I don't know who. And Shaw, by letter, got me in touch with Jack Tracy, a Sherlockian publisher. Tracy was a lousy publisher. Some say dishonest. My experience with Jack was that he wasn't dishonest by choice but by necessity. I never got paid for the book he did publish. But nobody ever got paid. The only one who came out ahead was Paul Herbert who took a lot of books instead of money and sold them. Tracy was an excellent editor. Excellent. I remember one of his criticisms was, "Your wife surely has a first name. What is it?" I figured out that what I had to do was a write a story about how you got there, fill in the background, and the travail, and so forth. That's what he finally published. |
| GS: That was your first travel book? The Game is Afoot? Published
by Tracy's ...?
Hammer: Gaslight Press. Through Tracy, I met someone who became a very good friend of Audrey and me — Michael Harrison. He lived on his social security as there wasn't much coming in from his books. He probably was the finest Sherlockian scholar I ever met. What we would do is give money through various institutions, which is deductible, with the understanding that they would bring Harrison over to be an artist or writer in residence. He came to the University of Dubuque, then Clarke College, and other groups. We all gained from that. |
| GS: A writer in residence?
Hammer: Yes. He'd speak on more than Sherlock Holmes. He'd written about more than Sherlock Holmes. At about that time, Tracy had not paid Harrison for a book he'd written — which is probably the most distinguished book in all Sherlockian history: A Study in Surmise. The book came out at a prominent conference in Dubuque. Sherlockians came from all over because Harrison was there. Tracy never paid him for that book. He never paid me, but I didn't live on what I wrote. So I formed a publishing company, called Gasogene Press, which was as deceptively similar to Gaslight as I could find. My thinking was that if there was an honest press that published people and paid them, then the bad press would disappear. — Well, I was quite wrong. It didn't work. And, I couldn't stay mad with Jack Tracy as he was an engaging fellow. With Gasogene Press, I published stuff from Michael, because that was how he was getting income, and I published stuff of my own, because they sold pretty well. Michael's did too. I had some other people, for otherwise, Gasogene Press would be a vanity press. I wanted to publish people who hadn't been published before. And it was once referred to by one of the English writers as "the odd press." |
| GS: Who else did you publish?
Hammer: I published a young woman from Kentucky, Deborah Sage, who wrote some poetry. It got some slicingly bad reviews. That was under the title of The Doggerel in the Night-Time. That title came from my law partner, Angela Simon. I published a book by Bill Goodrich in Chicago — my title — Good Old Index. And there were some others. [Including John Bennett Shaw's delightful quiz books, The Ragged Shaw and The Really Ragged Shaw.] |
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